Re: Peter - The first Pope?
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Originally Posted by Elisheva
I don't see you providing any references except Catholic sources.
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Then you need to go back and look at the following posts which all provided scriptural support for the issue concerning Peter being made head of the Church on earth.
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7436
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7457
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7640
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7649
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7708
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7728
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7873
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=7877
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=8476
http://www.christiansonline.cc/forum/showthread.php?p=8557
Which all address some aspect of the discussion prior to the thread branching off into other issues.
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Originally Posted by Elisheva
Quoting you from before, words to the affect that I had to use sources that you excepted. I think that's pretty arrogant.
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If you want to claim to quote me then please do, but that means actually quote me, don't paraphrase me to put words into my mouth. Show me where and in what post I ever said you had to use sources I accept. I may have claimed you needed to provide sources to show where you got these ideas and I may have even held the option of not accepting those sources, but I NEVER said you had to use sources I accepted. Of course it helps to convince people if you use sources they accept but I just want people to know where others are coming from and see how weak or strong their sources are. If you think that is arrogant then I am sorry but I am not about to change in that search.
As far as my sources go I would be arrogant if I relied on just the statements of the Catholic Church as you claim - but I do not. Your accusation is patently false. I do not in any place in this thread make an appeal to the RCC as a source. I offer scriptures and then reason from them, in each and every case.
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Originally Posted by Elisheva
Do a little research in Hebrew and you will see that the verses read a whole lot differant then the mistranslated versions out there.
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The verses I quoted were primarily from the New Testament which was written in Greek, regardless of what your modern Jewish teachers want to claim several thousand years after the fact, so although I have studied a small amount of Hebrew no amount would aid me in interpreting or translating the word of God in this case.
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Originally Posted by Elisheva
I don't doubt that your translation writes it the way you wrote it in the thread. Why, because it would have to for the Catholic doctrine to come out right. However, I couldn't resist seeing what you had to say on this one.
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Yes and since it was the Church which choose the table of contents of the New Testament that makes perfect sense, but that would have been the case if they had been choosing from a set of texts in Hebrew too so your argument is null.
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Originally Posted by Elisheva
Now I'll put you back on ignore.
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Yeah that will last.   
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