California prop 8

[Darth_Bill]

FYI

What Are People Asking about Us?

Question 3: What is your position on abortion?
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention there were more than 1,200,000 abortions performed in 1995 in the United States alone. What has happened to our regard for human life? How can women, and men, deny the great and precious gift of life, which is divine in its origin and nature?
How wonderful a thing is a child. How beautiful is a newborn babe. There is no greater miracle than the creation of human life.
Abortion is an ugly thing, a debasing thing, a thing which inevitably brings remorse and sorrow and regret.
While we denounce it, we make allowance in such circumstances as when pregnancy is the result of incest or rape, when the life or health of the mother is judged by competent medical authority to be in serious jeopardy, or when the fetus is known by competent medical authority to have serious defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.
But such instances are rare, and there is only a negligible probability of their occurring. In these circumstances those who face the question are asked to consult with their local ecclesiastical leaders and to pray in great earnestness, receiving a confirmation through prayer before proceeding.
There is a far better way. If there is no prospect of marriage to the man involved, leaving the mother alone, there remains the very welcome option of placing the child for adoption by parents who will love it and care for it. There are many such couples in good homes who long for a child and cannot have one.

I must add that there is the admonition to "pray in great earnestness, receiving a confirmation". Note that this means God has given his opinion on the matter. In LDS circles, that's as far as we go because the individual relationship with deity is supreme. We absolutely don't assume we know about a person's standing before God.

[Pigtown]

I have to agree, DB. I've never been in such a position for which I am thankful. I can imagine it would be a terrifying position for anyone to be in.
Since the missionaries have certain lessons to teach to investigators it would be nice if they'd simply stick to them. If investigators have questions that are not covered in the lessons then they can have someone else answer the questions such as the Bishop or one of his Counselors.

[michael_legna]

The full story can be read here.

White powder sent to Mormon temples in Utah, LA - Yahoo! News

These people are in the same league as the abortion clinic bombers - and its not the "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen"

[Darth_Bill]

And then there is this.

Deseret News | Owner says Prop 8 opponents hacked into LDS site

Humans are such a wonderful group, aren't we?

I'm reading a book now about the Missouri Persecutions of the LDS Church. Special places in hell for some people.

[Darth_Bill]

The California Supreme Court is now looking at prop 8. The whole point of constitutional ammendments is to bypass the courts and let the governed be heard.

I don't understand this country anymore.

[Darth_Bill]

From one of my favorite blogs.

Michelle Malkin » eHarmony forced to offer same-sex dating services

Now, let me get this straight, no pun intended. A christian dating service has to allow gays and lesbians and adulterous males to hook up on their service? What about freedom of association? Who said any business, christian or not, has to honor everyone that comes in with whatever whim they have?

And they tell us not to worry. If gay marriage is passed, that doesn't mean churches will have to marry gays.

At what point do we need another revolution?

[Pigtown]

I hate to say it but this country is going downhill. We have the fights over gay (that used to be such a beautful word!) rights but nothing is said about straight rights.
Recently I was reading an article that said that there is the possibility that Catholic hospitals may have to close their doors if they are forced to perform abortions. There seems to be a block being put on religious freedom in this country. When a religious organization is against gay marriages or abortions they should not be forced to participate in such things. Where have all the Christians gone?

[ctrups]

Just as the RCC stopped offering help with Adoptions where they would have been forces to allow same sex couples adopt children,the LDS church does not allow it's Bishops to perform Weddings or Marriages in Masachussets.

DEAN

[ctrups]

If somehow P8 is thrown out and that decision is upheld by the US Supreme Court either by non involvement or by ruling, there will be so many weird things hitting the fan around here.

One will be Polygamy.If "Between One Man and One Woman"is not allowed to be the definition of Marriage then Polyg groups will move here and fight for their right to marry just as everyone else has the right to marry.

What will be the age of consent?There is no set age for the U.S. so what's to stop 2 16year olds from fighting for their rights?2 15 year olds?Or a 52 yr old man marrying his sixth wife who is 16,provided her parents consent?

What about a full blooded brother marrying a full blooded sister?They are both consenting adults.What right does the Govt. or society have to keep these individuals from having what everyone else has?

What about brother and brother?Sister and Sister?

What about Mother and son?Father and daughter?

We as christians/believers find these scenarios objectionable becuase we believe that God has sanctioned Marriage between a man and a woman.

The gay rights activist's also will probably find these scenarios objectionable. So it's not a question of whether or not drawing a line in the sand is right or wrong,it's a question of where to draw the line.

We as christians/believers draw a line at "one man one woman that are not closely related".

Where the gay rights people want to draw the line seems to be open to debate.


DEAN

[Darth_Bill]

>Just as the RCC stopped offering help with Adoptions where they would have been forces to allow same sex couples adopt children,the LDS church does not allow it's Bishops to perform Weddings or Marriages in Masachussets.

The RCC stopped doing adoptions because it was accepting state money. If they were like LDS social services, that doesn't accept state money, they could have continued.

And Bishops not allowed to perform weddings...doesn't change the fact that the LDS church still does weddings in the Temple in Boston. We do have clergy licensed by the state. The state doesn't distinguish between bishops and sealers, they just see clergy. The restrictions placed on temple patrons doesn't bother the state at all. Are you sure this isn't just hear-say? It makes no sense to me. Proxy weddings aren't recognized by the state anyway so it wouldn't affect our work for the dead.